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Nov 12, 2023Liked by Damian Counsell

Helen Fry's book is (also) called π‘‡β„Žπ‘’ π‘Šπ‘Žπ‘™π‘™π‘  π»π‘Žπ‘£π‘’ πΈπ‘Žπ‘Ÿπ‘ . Just started it. Pretty good so far.

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Your reference to the Eustonite tendency is interesting. In retrospect it seems like the kind of unprincipled grouping that gets floated before collapsing at the first challenge. It is always the actual wars that separate the wheat from the chaff. These groupings only work by ignoring the hard problems. Sure some people use anti Zionism as a cover for their antisemitism, but so also do some Israelis use Zionism as a cover for anti Arab bigotry. It seems kind of symmetrical to me.

More importantly if people are going to have a theory of peace in the world without suggesting a real solution for Palestinians then it is hard take them very seriously. The Eustonites of the world (and many Zionists) basically think that the Palestinians should just go away.

Actually β€œthink” is not the right word. β€œWish” is probably better. And on the West Bank, the settlers and some parts of the current government are more of the β€œdoing” than β€œwishing” sort of people.

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Have you read the Euston Manifesto? Because this is raging against an imaginary Eustonism.

Of the four authors, two were openly and emphatically anti-Iraq-2 and two were pro. Of the members of the group, you probably couldn't get two of them to agree on any given war at any given time in history.

Euston was *explicitly* about not taking any position on any conflicts, but about debating such matters in good faith. How the Manifesto's call for a two-state solution could be interpreted as "thinking that the Palestinians should just go away" is beyond me.

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There's a good chance I was marching against Apartheid with my parents before you were born. I don't see what that has to do with anything in my essay.

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Yeah, you're blocked now for the conspiracist guff on the other thread. Ciao.

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Yeah, you're a crank. Quoting the convicted sex offender and Russia shill is an instant block. Bye.

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"You seem to want protesters against child killing to be arrested"

You're a lying crank.

What part of:

"I don’t want to see the marches banned.

"I do HOWEVER want those marchers openly inciting violence or committing other criminal offences to be arrested."

do you not understand?

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